November 2021: Big drop on the stock markets

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November 2021: Big drop on the stock markets

The stock markets have been hit hard in recent days, prices have fallen sharply in almost all markets. My stock portfolio has also fallen considerably in value. Fortunately that was all profit, and there is also enough profit left.

In addition, it seems to be a significant drop but if you look at the last three years you will see that the fall is actually not that big at all. Below you can see the developments of the Dutch AEX stock exchange, with the big fall from early 2020 in the middle, when the Corona crisis surprised everyone a bit.

If you look closely, the scale starts at 300 so it’s actually not that bad. Just before the crisis the stock market was already at a record high, and we are now even 23% above that. But of course the moment people have stepped in and held their positions determines the amount of profit or loss, which can vary greatly. If you have just started and have suddenly made a big loss, don’t worry too much. Especially if you’ve been wise and gone for general ETFs rather than speculating on niche stocks. History shows that long-term ETFs that track the economy or precious metals are always a good idea.

Portfolio overview November 2021

Last month my portfolio decreased by € -7,426.44 and my average rate of return over all platforms is 11.9%. The table below shows the details for each category.

Crowdlending (west)€ 40.896.6%€ 8,580€ -50
Crowdlending (east)€ -338.093.4%€ 55,703€ -2,150
Crowdfunding€ -15.456.7%€ 44,944€ 0
Stock€ -7,113.7947.8%€ 69,495€ 100
Portfolio€ -7,426.4411.9%€ 178,722€ -2,100

Passive income per month

The extreme highs and lows on the stock market prevent me from adequately determine the passive income that my investments can generate when I stop working. That is why I now calculate the 6-month moving average of my passive income.

You can find my definition of passive income on my portfolio page.


To show you how little effort is involved when investing via crowdfunding and crowdlending I have added an overview of the manual actions in the last month:

 CrowdestorNovember 8Withdrawal: € 200
 CrowdestorNovember 15Withdrawal: € 1,950
 INGNovember 16Deposited funds: € 100
 INGNovember 23WisdomTree Physical Silver ETF bought (3@19.75)
 INGNovember 23Amundi Prime europe UCITS ETF bought (2@26.54)

I did check the platforms every now and then, but this was purely for fun. It wasn’t necessary to get these interest payments and return rates.


I have grouped by P2P platforms into two groups, one containing all platforms based in Western Europe and one containing all platforms based in Eastern Europe. In the table below you can see the balance between them.

Crowdlending (west)€ 40.896.6%€ 8,580€ -50
Crowdlending (east)€ -338.093.4%€ 55,703€ -2,150
Crowdlending€ -297.203.8%€ 64,283€ -2,200

Crowdlending (west)

In the table and paragraphs below you can see which platforms make up my “Western Europe group”.

 Flender€ 19.537.2%€ 3,206 Info
 Funding Circle NL€ 6.068.7%€ 859 Info
 Lender & Spender€ 11.003.8%€ 3,488 Info
 Max Crowdfund€ 4.303.4%€ 1,027 Info
€ 40.896.6%€ 8,580


This month on the Irish platform Flender a loan was paid off in full, and the auto-invest invested in 3 new loans. As long as you set the auto-invest conservatively, you don’t really have to worry about this. I have set the auto-invest to only invest in loans with an A or B status. There is no buyback guarantee here, but the number of loans that fail is very low (1.8%).

Loans are repaid monthly, and because the auto-invest keeps investing in new loans my portfolio is increasingly diversified. More than 6,500 euros have now been invested, I have received almost 500 euros in interest, and yet only 38 euros in problem loans have been written off.

My investments at Flender returned € 19.53 last month, and my average return rate is now 7.2%.

Click on the graph to visit my Flender overview page

 Funding Circle NL

My investments at Funding Circle NL are automatically reduced, monthly repayment and interest are deposited into my bank account. And private investors can no longer invest, the platform only focuses on large institutional investors.

My investments at Funding Circle NL returned € 6.06 last month, and my average return rate is now 8.7%.

Click on the graph to visit my Funding Circle overview page

 Lender & Spender

Despite the crisis, the number of loans from Lender & Spender with payment arrears has decreased to only 0.26%. In addition, your investment is automatically spread over thousands of loans, so that limits the risks enormously.

My return here has been at 3.8% for some time, which is lower than with other platforms, but I feel the risk is also much lower here. Plus they operate on the stable Dutch market and are supervised by the AFM.

My investments at Lender & Spender returned € 11.00 last month, and my average return rate is now 3.8%.

Click on the graph to visit my Lender & Spender overview page

 Max Crowdfund

Four open projects, it becomes easier to invest via Max Crowdfund. A while ago you had to be very quick, because a project could be fully funded within an hour.

Of the 4 open projects, 3 are from England and 1 from Germany. The platform is therefore expanding considerably across the border. In fact, they recently launched a new website focused on New Zealand and published their first loan there. In addition, they are also applying for a European license. But due to delays at the AFM they expect to receive it in six months or so.

I’ve only just started here, but I like it. And it is a “local” platform for me, from the Netherlands itself. The only drawback I now see is the minimum investment amount of 100 euro. This means it takes longer before I can invest the received interest again.

My investments at Max Crowdfund returned € 4.30 last month, and my average return rate is now 3.4%.

Click on the graph to visit my Max Crowdfund overview page

Crowdlending (east)

In the table and paragraphs below you can see which platforms make up my “Eastern Europe group”.

 Bondora€ 18.556.8%€ 3,584 Info
 Brickstarter€ 5.775.1%€ 1,839 Info
 Bulkestate€ 21.566.8%€ 3,389 Info
 Crowdestate€ 2.379.0%€ 3,165 Info
 Crowdestor€ -529.2713.4%€ 1,441 Info
 Envestio€ 0.00-100.0%€ 0 Info
 EstateGuru€ 30.5910.0%€ 3,432 Info
 EvoEstate€ 7.555.2%€ 2,206 Info
 Fast Invest€ 0.2412.1%€ 3,035 Info
 Grupeer€ 0.006.5%€ 8,568 Info
 Iuvo€ 0.007.6%€ 6,533 Info
 Kuetzal€ 0.00-100.0%€ 0 Info
 Mintos€ 10.5610.3%€ 5,083 Info
 NEO Finance€ 17.702.9%€ 2,628 Info
 PeerBerry€ 9.2410.4%€ 1,166 Info
 Reinvest24€ 27.166.3%€ 2,806 Info
 Robocash€ 1.2312.4%€ 1,310 Info
 TFG Crowd€ 0.0014.6%€ 891 Info
 TWINO€ 16.249.7%€ 2,093 Info
 Viainvest€ 22.4211.9%€ 2,533 Info
€ -338.093.4%€ 55,703


At Bondora, the net return of all investors has decreased slightly again, by 0.1% to 7.7%. At the beginning of this year this was still at 8.8%. I assume that the now long-running crisis has a lot of influence on this, and that these numbers may improve once the ‘corona dust clouds’ have lifted and the economy picks up again. I also assume that it will not affect the interest rate of Go&Grow for the time being (I do not recommend the other options at Bondora).

With Go&Grow you can in principle withdraw your money at any time, so it is more like a savings account with an interest rate of up to 6.75%. That 6.75% is a maximum but so far I have never seen it lower than that. If the general return continues to fall I can imagine that that 6.75% will also come under pressure, but it seems that this is not an issue for the time being.

In any case, in terms of volume Bondora continues to grow considerably: they have reached the milestone of 500 million euros in investments. They are expanding the team considerably, they have 11 vacancies open.

My investments at Bondora returned € 18.55 last month, and my average return rate is now 6.8%.

Click on the graph to visit my Bondora overview page


My investments at Brickstarter returned € 5.77 last month, and my average return rate is now 5.1%.

Click on the graph to visit my Brickstarter overview page


My investments at Bulkestate returned € 21.56 last month, and my average return rate is now 6.8%.

Click on the graph to visit my Bulkestate overview page


My investments at Crowdestate returned € 2.37 last month, and my average return rate is now 9.0%.

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Crowdestor has been a high-risk platform in my eyes for some time now. The promised interest rates of 20-30% seemed very interesting in the beginning, but nowadays I focus more on the big associated risks. Certainly if loans with these kinds of extremely high interest rates fall behind with payments, you should seriously take into account the fact that the investment may not come back al all. Crowdestor does have a kind of guarantee fund (Provision Fund), but this is so small that only a very small part of investments can be repaid.

I started at Crowdestor at the end of 2018 and in February 2019 I had invested EUR 2,500 in “Energy production plant”, a project with a duration of 2 years at an interest rate of no less than 19.5%. You guessed it, this should have been repaid about 9 months ago. Didn’t happen. Since the bulk of my money was spent here on this project, I decided to sell it on the secondary market at a hefty discount. That didn’t work at first, until I gave a discount of a few hundred euros. Then it was gone in no time, and I then immediately had the money paid out to my own bank account.

Now I can hear you thinking: “what, throwing away hundreds of euros like that??”, but the calculation is very different because I had already received a lot of interest payments in those first 2 years. That is the advantage of the high interest rates. All things considered I still made a net profit of 496 euros, which still comes down to a return of 6.77% over those almost three years.

In addition to that acceptable return rate there is another big advantage. By withdrawing this large amount I have now withdrawn 845 euros more than I have ever deposited to the platform. Yet the value of my account is still more than 1,440 euros. This is because I invested much more in those early years, and then those extremely high (risky) interest rates quickly added up. In short, I don’t have to worry about this platform anymore at all. Of course I will continue to invest with this platform, but only through Flex. Then you can withdraw it at any time and receive daily interest (12% on an annual basis). As long as the platform continues to run well, of course.

Last month my account value at Crowdestor decreased by € 529.27, and my average return rate is now 13.4%.

Click on the graph to visit my Crowdestor overview page


EstateGuru continues to do well, my returns here are very stable. And with 10% of course also nice and high. The loans have real estate as collateral, which also provides more security. But of course it also applies here that it is not wise to invest in loans with higher risks. I only allow investments in loans with a first-class mortgage as a guarantee, max 65% LTV, and I have also excluded terms of longer than 2 years.

I have also invested a small amount in the platform itself, via the crowdfunding platform Seedrs. So maybe I should add some kind of disclaimer, but an investment of 2,333 euros in a company that is valued at 50 million euros is not that significant I think…

My investments at EstateGuru returned € 30.59 last month, and my average return rate is now 10.0%.

Click on the graph to visit my EstateGuru overview page


My dashboard at EvoEstate shows that 2 out of 20 investments are now behind on payments. It is only now that I notice that filtering the overview with investments is actually very limited. It is difficult to find out which projects are overdue. It concerns 400 euros of the total invested 2200 euros, so about 18% of my portfolio.

I have asked them for clarity and also whether they want to add the missing information to the overviews. In the meantime I will check my account more often.

My investments at EvoEstate returned € 7.55 last month, and my average return rate is now 5.2%.

Click on the graph to visit my EvoEstate overview page

 Fast Invest

Fast Invest is still having trouble transferring withdrawals. They indicate that this is due to late payments by borrowers, but of course this is not true for the money that has not been invested. Most of my account value is now marked as “available to invest”, but can’t be actually withdrawn? Then something is really wrong. I wouldn’t be surprised if this also becomes a platform to write off.

My investments at Fast Invest returned € 0.24 last month, and my average return rate is now 12.1%.

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Grupeer’s website remains active, but nothing else happens and investors still can’t access their money. Don’t even come close as an investor.

Last month my account value at Grupeer did not change, and my average return rate is now 6.5%.

Click on the graph to visit my Grupeer overview page


I’ve been thinking about investing in IuvoUP at Iuvo because I haven’t had a great experience with single investments here. Most of my account value has gone into loans from CBC (KFP), which is now in default even though the loans had the second highest rating (a B rating).

But IuvoUP offers up to 4% interest, and that’s roughly what I get from Lender & Spender. And then I have more confidence in a Dutch platform that automatically spreads your investment over thousands of loans from Dutch consumers.

Last month my account value at Iuvo did not change, and my average return rate is now 7.6%.

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My investments at Mintos returned € 10.56 last month, and my average return rate is now 10.3%.

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 NEO Finance

My investments at NEO Finance returned € 17.70 last month, and my average return rate is now 2.9%.

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PeerBerry is exactly 5 years old this month. They have certainly been on the rise in the last year, and the volume of outstanding loans has tripled:

I started investing here a year ago and this is one of my favorite platforms to date. The return is very stable here, which undoubtedly also has to do with the buyback guarantee (after 60 days of payment arrears you get your invested money back plus the accrued interest). Of course this is not a 100% guarantee, this is still a form of investing. But in addition to the buyback guarantee there is also the group guarantee. If one of the originators gets into trouble the other originators in the group have to deal with it.

My investments at PeerBerry returned € 9.24 last month, and my average return rate is now 10.4%.

Click on the graph to visit my PeerBerry overview page


I’ve been investing through Reinvest24 for a little over 2 years now, and there has been a cost associated with investing here since the beginning. This is one of the sources of income through which the platform is financed. In the beginning this was 2% of the investment, and earlier this year this had already been halved to 1%.

From now on Reinvest24 will no longer charge costs when investing in new projects. Instead there is a “success fee”, so you actually only pay the costs when the winnings are cashed in. Nothing will change for existing projects and investments. Secondary market purchases also become free (for new projects), the seller then pays the fees. Of course it is the purchaser then that has to pay the success fee. The costs remain the same, 1% of the value of the investment.

If a nice return is made, this is actually even more favorable for investors. Paying 1% afterwards or 1% of the investment makes a significant difference, according to Reinvest24 this roughly amounts to an extra return of 1.9%.

The platform announced that they are in the final phase of obtaining a financial institution license, which is also good news for investors. They expect to receive it this year or else in the first quarter of next year.

My investments at Reinvest24 returned € 27.16 last month, and my average return rate is now 6.3%.

Click on the graph to visit my Reinvest24 overview page


Also Robocash is part of a group, and it is also financially healthy. This means that they can absorb blows and just as important: fullfilling the buyback guarantee (with Robocash this is already after 30 days, including the accrued interest).

Last week, Robocash adjusted the interest rates. The interest rate is linked to the term, the longer your investment is fixed, the higher the interest rate:

My investments at Robocash returned € 1.23 last month, and my average return rate is now 12.4%.

Click on the graph to visit my Robocash overview page

 TFG Crowd

At TFG Crowd the investments are going quite downhill, one after the other is getting into trouble according to TFG Crowd. I do not have an investment that isn’t behind in terms of payments.

Last month my account value at TFG Crowd did not change, and my average return rate is now 14.6%.

Click on the graph to visit my TFG Crowd overview page


In the coming month TWINO should publish the annual figures for 2020. I will go through them carefully to see how Twino is doing. The latest report for 2019 showed that 55% of outstanding loans were late, but the group as a whole had made a profit. It will be interesting to see what the effect has been of the corona crisis in 2020. It is a pity that it takes so long for the annual figures to be released, but they have been audited by an accountant. And transparency is always good, not all platforms are this open.

My investments at TWINO returned € 16.24 last month, and my average return rate is now 9.7%.

Click on the graph to visit my TWINO overview page


Viainvest is one of the most stable platforms in my portfolio, with a nice return rate of around 12%. The knowledge that they are now licensed is of course also reassuring, because if the platform falls the (Latvian) government guarantees investors funds (up to a maximum of € 20,000 per investor). In addition, the platform and the lenders all belong to the same business group so they have everything under control themselves.

My investments at Viainvest returned € 22.42 last month, and my average return rate is now 11.9%.

Click on the graph to visit my Viainvest overview page


 CrowdAboutNow€ 0.000.0%€ 13,500 Info
 Crowdcube€ 2.120.1%€ 4,850 Info
 Seedrs€ -17.579.9%€ 26,594 Info
€ -15.456.7%€ 44,944


At CrowdAboutNow there is a stock equity campaign again. The last months there were only loans available. It concerns ‘Rechtstreex van de Boer’, a company that builds short local food chains in the Netherlands. So far they have already achieved 158% of the target amount, and you can already become a co-owner with an investment from 250 euros.

Because I already invested in a loan via this platform last month, I’m waiting a little longer.

Last month my account value at CrowdAboutNow did not change, and my average return rate is now 0.0%.


Crowdcube raised money with and from an American investor, Circle Internet Financial. This investor owns the American crowdfunding platform SeedInvest.

I think that the rejected merger between Seedrs and CrowdCube is the reason why these platforms started looking for other collaborations, or were seen as takeover candidates.

My investments at Crowdcube returned € 2.12 last month , but this is caused by currency flunctuations. Some of my investments here are in British Pounds. My average return rate is now 0.1%.


Today news came in that Seedrs is being bought by Republic, an American investment company. The deal values Seedrs at around USD 100 million, so I’m curious what the effect will be on the small investment I made in Seedrs through Seedrs. At that time, Seedrs was valued at GBP 42 million.

The acquisition will give the platform more clout to enter the American market, and they also expect to be able to grow significantly within Europe as a result.

Last month my account value at Seedrs decreased by € 17.57, but this is caused by currency flunctuations. Some of my investments here are in British Pounds. My average return rate is now 9.9%.

Click on the graph to visit my Seedrs overview page


 DEGIRO€ -661.0234.9%€ 32,848 Info
 ING€ -79.0011.0%€ 5,959 Info
 Saxo Bank€ -6,373.7778.0%€ 30,688 Info
€ -7,113.7947.8%€ 69,495


At DEGIRO, my pullback is pretty limited, only half of last month’s gains.

Last month my account value at DEGIRO decreased by € 661.02, and my average return rate is now 34.9%.

Click on the graph to visit my DEGIRO overview page


My ING account also shows that the economy has taken a major hit. Here I follow the “50-50 with rebalancing” strategy, where I invest exactly the same amount in precious metal ETFs and economics ETFs. So if the prices of gold and silver are moving in exactly the same way as the economy, then the ratio in my portfolio should always be 50% precious metals and 50% economics. Since my rebalancing in June, the economy has been improving and precious metals have been on the decline:

This month it can be clearly seen that the economy has suffered a significant decline, and then investors try to look for security in precious metals. So the price of precious metals and the economy are moving somewhat counter cyclically, in opposite directions. The occasional rebalancing tries to take advantage of that to get an even better return in the long run. But all investment strategies are for the long term, trying to make short term profits is all gambling and speculation.

This month I deposited another 100 euros, 50 euros for the precious metals and 50 euros to buy economics ETFs. In addition, I also got a nice bonus: last month I bought 1 Amundi Prime Europe UCITS ETF and I already received dividends for it. Not much, 61 cents, but I appreciate all bonuses big and smal.

Last month my account value at ING decreased by € 79.00, and my average return rate is now 11.0%.

Click on the graph to visit my ING overview page

 Saxo Bank

I also received dividends at Saxo Bank: € 3.06 for my shares in ASML.

This platform is where the impact of the decline in confidence in the economy is greatest. Much of my portfolio here is in oil, and in the last few days the price of my LOIL ETF has fallen by almost a quarter. I’m not worried about it though. I was able to cash in a nice part last month. And I have already amply withdrawn my investment, so the more than 1500 pieces that I still have are pure profit. And that is of course very soothing: the knowledge that I can never lose money on that again, only theoretical unrealized gains.

Last month my account value at Saxo Bank decreased by € 6,373.77, and my average return rate is now 78.0%.

Click on the graph to visit my Saxo Bank overview page

And finally…

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